"How about their association with the Judge Rotenberg Center?"
For those of you who don’t know, JRC literally tortures its patients. There’s a good roundup of info by autistichoya, but I need to emphasize that even though I have not followed all the links, this is deeply disturbing and very upsetting, so please be careful when you go there. Huge trigger warning for torture, abuse, medical neglect, and of course disablism. Really huge trigger warning, but if you’re up to it I do recommend you read some of this because this is horrific and terrifying and people need to know who they’re supporting when they support this organization.
Here is the link.
- Mod D.
ABA as obedience training? Way to sound just as ignorant as the people you are decrying.
I’m sorry, but have you been subjected to it? Have you watched students you’ve taught be subjected to it? How bout your own kids? It’s nothing more than obedience training and it’s a big way that Rape culture specifically targets autistic people because in ABA therapy, autistic people (kids specifically) are touched without their consent. Their hands are held down to stop stimming. They are forced to perform hand over hand actions when they won’t comply. Their “No” is disrespected, whether it’s verbal or nonverbal.
Lovaas is responsible for the root of ABA therapy and while the Autism community (read: autism parents and “professionals”, not autistic people) celebrate this therapy, it has its basis in the therapy that tried to make gay people not gay.
So. Chew on those facts and don’t you dare call me ignorant when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
As an ABA therapist, I can honestly say I HAVE NEVER treated any of my clients this way. I care about them, and I want them to be able to become independent.
Um good for you? I mean, I never said that you as an ABA practitioner were a bad person, so I don’t know what you’re trying to prove with the “we’re not all like that!” bullshit.
I’ve worked with a child who didn’t know how to eat. Had I never used hand over hand or told her that “No, we can’t throw away your food” she would have been taken away by social services because she was severely malnourished.
Didn’t know how to eat or was choosing something other than what you were offering? My daughter was almost six before she knew how to properly use a fork and spoon. You know, you can teach these things by showing them how to do it, right? You don’t actually have to use hand over hand. I mean, a lot of autistic people’s food problems have to do with therapists and parents ignoring their actual sensitivities and to me, if a kid wants to throw away their food, it isn’t because they don’t want to eat at all, but they might not want to eat that food. That sounds massively abusive to me. Maybe paying attention to what that kid is actually communicating (which translates in this scenario to me as a “ew, that food is gross, I want it out of my sight, so I’ll throw it in the trash”) would have been helpful here. I hope the way you ignored what this kid was likely communicating doesn’t cause her long term problems.
Also, if she was that malnourished, as much as I dislike social services because they are often ableist and racist pieces of trash, if she was SO malnourished that social workers were going to take her away, well, maybe they should because clearly her parents weren’t doing their fucking jobs.
I perform hand over hand to HELP them accomplish their task. I stop their stimming so they can focus on the games I’m playing with them.
Yeahhhhh that sounds so much more important than allowing them to stim. Or hell, finding another way to do that.
I respect them when they tell me “no”, and I explain to them or show them why I will have to sometimes ignore it. I would never in my life try to make them feel uncomfortable.
You’re pretty much contradicting yourself here. You respect their no, but then tell them that you can’t actually follow that because of x reason. It’s one thing to tell them that they can’t do something because of safety (like run into the street), but stopping their stimming or forcing them to do something that makes them uncomfortable (whether you think it does or not) is super gross.
Don’t ever tell me that I’m mistreating these kids. Don’t ever undermine what I do day in and day out simply to make yourself feel self-important.
You are. Sorry, I’m not going to mince words. You have demonstrated in this very post that you care about the consent of autistic kids only when it suits your needs. I’m not saying this to feel self important (are you fucking kidding me here? You are the one with the power over autistic people, not me). I’m saying what I am to stop a potential abuser, which as an ABA therapist who behaves like you do? You ARE.
So having an organization that is supposed to speak for autistics but includes no autistics and speaks over us is not a good enough reason?
How about their association with the Judge Rotenberg Center?
Or the fact that they almost always side with the parents who kill their autistic kids, or at least don’t speak out AGAINST the actions?
Or that they’re searching for a cure which would no doubt be performed on us against our will (even though I don’t think, scientifically, such a cure could ever exist because we would literally have to have our brains completely rewired)?
Or that only 3% of their income goes to help families of autistic people, and most of that goes to either ABA (which is bad because it’s basically obedience training) or grief counseling for family members after their child/sibling/spouse is diagnosed with autism?
Or that in every single commercial, they paint us as burdens?
Or how about this Call to Action by Suzanne Wright, co-founder of Autism Speaks, who has an autistic grandchild? http://www.donotlink.com/b8B
Seriously, I don’t understand how you can read anything about them and STILL think they’re acceptable or not see the problem?
I understand that organizations like Autism Speaks are full of crap and I avoid them like to the plague. But for those of us out there that want to genuinely help, and have helped, don’t lump us in with those assholes.
You call me self-important and then try to make yourself look good by thinking you’re actually helping? No. You’re doing compliance training. You know you can obtain results while being abusive, right? I apologize and apologize for every little mistake because I was abused. I still don’t consider myself a real life adult even though I’m nearing my mid-30s because I was ABUSED. It’s clear you’ve obtained results. That doesn’t mean that what you’re doing is GOOD.
You need to read this:
"I stop their stimming." THAT IS A HUGE RED FLAG TO ME RIGHT THERE. I’m 34. You try to do that to me, i will cut your hands off. And if it’s wrong to do it to me, it’s wrong to do it to a minor. They are stimming for a reason. JFC.